Dreams – God, Was that You Or The Pizza?

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Are you a dreamer? Literally. Do you remember your dreams when you wake up in the morning or are you one of those that say "I never dream!" Today's episode will remind you that God uses dreams for many reasons.
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Jill Donovan:
Do you ever feel like you’re building an ark with only the instructions for a canoe? If so, you’re not alone. Welcome to CEO-ish, where we’ll discuss traveling the path of the unknown, while making it your own.

Jill Donovan:
I’m Jill Donovan, CEO of Rustic Cuff bracelets. With me today is my very, very favorite …

Kelly Smith:
Aww.

Jill Donovan:
Cohost, Kelly Smith. Hi, Kelly.

Kelly Smith:
Hi.

Jill Donovan:
Hi. Kelly?

Kelly Smith:
Yes.

Jill Donovan:
Just for everybody listening and watching, will you tell them what you do here, at Rustic Cuff bracelets?

Kelly Smith:
I make jewelry and bracelets, which is a very fun job to have.

Jill Donovan:
Like, really, legit make it?

Kelly Smith:
I am legitimately spending all of my days, making jewelry.

Jill Donovan:
And you manage people as well, correct?

Kelly Smith:
Yeah.

Jill Donovan:
How many people do you manage?

Kelly Smith:
Let’s see. I manage one, two, three … four, five-ish.

Jill Donovan:
And their children that come to work with them, as well.

Kelly Smith:
Yes, right.

Jill Donovan:
Okay. So Kelly, today is Feedback Friday, which I’m super excited about.

Kelly Smith:
Oh, good.

Jill Donovan:
Do you know what Feedback Friday is?

Kelly Smith:
No, but tell.

Jill Donovan:
Okay. Feedback Friday is where we get feedback from the bracelets listeners, and then we give them feedback on the feedback that they gave us.

Kelly Smith:
Oh, a lot of feedback going on.

Jill Donovan:
It’s a whole lot of feedback, but it’s otherwise known as ask us a question, and we’ll answer it.

Kelly Smith:
Right, yeah.

Jill Donovan:
Today’s question …

Kelly Smith:
Okay.

Jill Donovan:
We’ve received 212 questions so far.

Kelly Smith:
Dang! We’re popular.

Jill Donovan:
That’s a lot. They’re all from our employees.

Kelly Smith:
Okay.

Jill Donovan:
Now, we have received 212 questions so far. It’s really fun to go through these, and answer them.

Jill Donovan:
So, today’s question is from Alison Fitzgerald, from Athens, Georgia. Alison wrote and asked, “I know that you encourage people to follow their dreams, but do you ever remember your dreams when you wake up in the morning? If so, when was the last time any of your dreams came true?”

Kelly Smith:
Oh, that’s a good question.

Jill Donovan:
That is a good question. Do you want me to answer it?

Kelly Smith:
Yeah, go.

Jill Donovan:
First? Okay.

Jill Donovan:
Alison, that’s a great question. It’s so timely, because just yesterday I woke up, and had … I had already told you this, Kelly.

Kelly Smith:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jill Donovan:
So, you can verify that I’m not making this up. I woke up yesterday morning, and I had a dream the night before that our fish, Ocean is his name … Our fish was dead, and he was living inside of his fishbowl, but it was completely cloudy, you could not see through the fishbowl at all. It was like, just dirt piled all the way up in there. Then, Ocean was not alive.

Kelly Smith:
Oh.

Jill Donovan:
Right. We’ve had Ocean for a long time.

Kelly Smith:
Right.

Jill Donovan:
How long do fish live?

Kelly Smith:
Not long.

Jill Donovan:
Like, a couple years? More?

Kelly Smith:
Really?

Jill Donovan:
Years and years?

Kelly Smith:
Every time I have a fish, it dies quickly.

Jill Donovan:
Michelle had one that lived for 15 years?

Kelly Smith:
15 years? A goldfish?

Jill Donovan:
Michelle’s goldfish lived for 15 years.

Kelly Smith:
Wow.

Jill Donovan:
Okay. We’ll Michelle on next, to verify that story.

Kelly Smith:
Michelle, come on in here.

Jill Donovan:
She’ll verify that Michelle’s fish lived that long. This fish, I’m going to say he lived for two years, okay?

Kelly Smith:
Okay.

Jill Donovan:
I have two girls, and they each have a fish, so we have two fishbowls. They’re very clean, the water is very clear.

Kelly Smith:
This is real life, or the dream?

Jill Donovan:
Real life.

Kelly Smith:
Okay.

Jill Donovan:
In my dream, it was so filled with dirt that it was almost like you couldn’t see water. The fish was on the top, floating.

Jill Donovan:
Then, I woke up, and I got a little panicked because … I don’t know how attached people are to their fish, but my youngest daughter has always said that if her fish ever died, she does not want to know, she just wants him buried and then another fish in its place that looks exactly like him.

Kelly Smith:
Because she doesn’t want to deal.

Jill Donovan:
We don’t deal with feelings the way we should.

Kelly Smith:
When you’re 11, that’s the way you deal with feelings.

Jill Donovan:
So, I decided that’s what would happen if her fish ever died. So, I had a dream, I woke up yesterday morning after this dream startled me. I went into where the two fishbowls are, which are right on the kitchen counter, huge fishbowls. Clear as day, you could see to the other side of the house, through the fishbowl. Fish swimming, everything fine. I thought, that was a weird dream, because I didn’t eat anything weird the night before. I wasn’t watching a fish story on TV.

Jill Donovan:
And I go to work. This is yesterday morning, we had a meeting Monday morning. The meeting went from nine to 10 o’clock. I walked up to my office afterwards, and Susie, who is … How do you describe Susie?

Kelly Smith:
Now, wait a second. I think you told me about the fish dream. You’re like, “Isn’t that crazy? What does that mean?” You told me about it first.

Jill Donovan:
Okay, before Susie.

Kelly Smith:
Then, there was a little pause, because then when you went off to your bracelets office.

Jill Donovan:
Okay, okay. I told you about this fish dream. I went to my office, and I looked at my text. My dear friend Susie, who had gone over to my house that morning, she texted me. She said, “You’re not going to believe this, but Ocean is dead.” I didn’t believe it, because I had dreamt that it happened, but that would be the weirdest …

Kelly Smith:
And you checked on the fish in the morning, and said it was totally fine.

Jill Donovan:
Happy as can be. As happy as a fish, that you can tell.

Kelly Smith:
Right.

Jill Donovan:
So, I said, “You’re not going to believe this, Susie, but I had a dream last night that Ocean died, but he was perfectly fine this morning.” She said, “Well, I remember Peanut telling you that she didn’t want to know, so I will bury him right now, and I’ll run to the store for you.”

Kelly Smith:
She’s a good friend.

Jill Donovan:
She’s a great, great friend. I need a word to describe Susie, so when I refer to bracelets Susie that they will know what Susie … Susie is Alice.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah, right.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
From the Brady Bunch.

Jill Donovan:
Susie’s Alice.

Kelly Smith:
That’s a good TV reference, too.

Jill Donovan:
She’s Alice, without the dress.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah.

Jill Donovan:
She is Alice.

Kelly Smith:
She has better style than Alice, for sure.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah, she’s amazing, Susie’s Alice. To protect her innocence, I will call her Alice from now on.

Jill Donovan:
Alice buried Ocean, and went to the store and got a new fish. Okay, this was all happening, and I came to you and I said, “You’re not going to believe this, but Ocean died.” Then, I had to run to a meeting.

Jill Donovan:
As I was running to the meeting, offsite, about 15 minutes away, I saw our mail bin there, and I saw a package for me. Do you know this part of the story?

Kelly Smith:
Yes. No, no, you told me this.

Jill Donovan:
I saw a package for me. I got in the car, I was in a rush to get there. When I got there, I opened up this FedEx package, and inside of it were three magazines. They were all the same magazine, somebody had sent me a copy of the same magazine. It was titled, Miracle Living. Okay?

Kelly Smith:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jill Donovan:
I thought, I couldn’t remember why. What is this magazine? It was a magazine from Christian Broadcasting Network. I thought, somebody must have wanted me to read an article in this magazine. I thought, I’ll know it when I see it.

Jill Donovan:
I’m thumbing through it, and all of a sudden, on page four I believe, I see a picture of me.

Kelly Smith:
Oh.

Jill Donovan:
And a fish. That would be weird.

Jill Donovan:
I see a picture of me, and it’s an article that I had written, when I wrote the book The Kindness Effect two years ago. They took an excerpt from this article, from the book, and put it as an article in the magazine. The article, the whole article, was about God’s timing, but it was a dream that I had 30 years ago, that took 10 years for this dream to come true. But, in this article I was talking about the detail about this dream I had.

Kelly Smith:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jill Donovan:
It was the craziest thing. I could not understand, why did I dream my fish died? Then, it came true. Then, as I’m running out the door, I picked up the magazine that I had forgotten that they had asked me about doing that, and that was about a dream I had 30 years ago.

Kelly Smith:
Okay. So, what’s the significance?

Jill Donovan:
That’s why you’re on here.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah. I need to know, what’s the significant? First of all, do you think it’s something to do with the fish? What do you feel like … I always feel like, God’s trying to tell you something. I think he uses our dreams, all the time.

Jill Donovan:
Yes.

Kelly Smith:
So, I have very, very vivid dreams, and I remember them the next day.

Jill Donovan:
The next day.

Kelly Smith:
But I always think there’s some sort of significance.

Jill Donovan:
Yes.

Kelly Smith:
So, do you have something?

Jill Donovan:
I do. I asked myself all day yesterday, why would I dream about a fish dying?

Kelly Smith:
Right.

Jill Donovan:
Then, he died. To which both my daughters said, “Mom, it’s just a fish and a dream, let it go.” I won’t let it go, because it seems so insignificant that I had a dream about a fish, that was alive when I woke up the next day, and then hours later it died. It seems very insignificant, but I believe I had what seemed like an insignificant dream that came true, to be aware and alert for another dream that I will have, or a dream that God gave me, to remind me that even in the little things, God speaks to us.

Kelly Smith:
Oh, that’s good.

Jill Donovan:
To be aware of a dream. I want to hear about a dream that you had.

Jill Donovan:
But, as a side note, I need to say that when I got home last night, and Ocean was buried, and we had a brand new fish. We were sitting around in the living room, and Peanut comes and sits next to me. She’s 11 years old, and out of the blue, we were not talking about the fish … she had just come in from the kitchen, and she sat down. She said, “Mom, the weirdest thing is happening. Ocean keeps getting lighter and lighter, every day.” It was at that moment I had a choice.

Kelly Smith:
Did you?

Jill Donovan:
I did it. I said, “Let’s go outside, to a little patch of grass.”

Kelly Smith:
Oh.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah. Then, I said, “Susie killed Ocean.” Alice did it. This is what I said, Alice did it. Then, we just went on to dinner.

Jill Donovan:
Then, I had a crazy dream last night. I woke up and I thought, is this the dream, is this the dream? Within minutes, I forgot the dream. Sometimes you remember, and then you forget it.

Jill Donovan:
Have you ever had a dream? Do you know what I’m talking about?

Kelly Smith:
Oh, yeah.

Jill Donovan:
That just feels so real.

Kelly Smith:
Yes.

Jill Donovan:
We’ve talked about this before.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah.

Jill Donovan:
That God speaks to you in your dream. Tell me about a time that you had?

Kelly Smith:
Well, I’ve had some serious ones, which were a little heavy, and you just feel like there’s some provenance behind that, that they mean something.

Kelly Smith:
But, one that was really special to just me was I was … I had my son, and he was about eight months old, so it was like, maybe February. I had this dream, and then a man, a dark man with bracelets, told me in the dream to try to have a baby on June 4th. I was like … It was such a short dream, and it was just a teeny, tiny little dream. I woke up, and I remembered it really vividly.

Jill Donovan:
Were you trying to get pregnant with another?

Kelly Smith:
No! I had an eight month old.

Jill Donovan:
Just eight month, yeah right.

Kelly Smith:
My first child, and I was completely overwhelmed.

Jill Donovan:
So, you were still sleeping in another rooM?

Kelly Smith:
Yes.

Jill Donovan:
Yes.

Kelly Smith:
I was thinking, okay, well that’s weird. But, it was February, and I completely forgot about it, I just went on with my life. And then, it was weird, right about June 1st or 2nd, the dream came right back to my memory. I was like, ah! I remember that I had this, and it just came all flooding back. I had a dream that some man, some dark, shrouded man said, “You need to try to have a baby on June 4th.” I was like, you might as well give it a short, right? June 4th, who has dreams like that?

Kelly Smith:
Anyway, long story short without a lot of details added, I definitely got pregnant, on June 4th.

Jill Donovan:
Wow.

Kelly Smith:
With my daughter Annie.

Jill Donovan:
Wow.

Kelly Smith:
The cool thing about that, which I had a miscarriage before my first child, and I felt like I was really, really stressed during the whole pregnancy with my first child, because you just are hoping not to lose the baby. Not that I … I loved Sam, but I was stressed the whole time, I didn’t enjoy it.

Jill Donovan:
Right.

Kelly Smith:
The whole pregnancy with Annie, which was such a gift, was that I just knew God was bigger than bracelets, and in charge of my life, and I didn’t feel the stress of, oh, is this going to work out? I settled in that knowledge.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
That he was doing something bigger than me.

Jill Donovan:
Does June 4th hold any other significance for you?

Kelly Smith:
Well, it happens to be my sister and my brother-in-law’s anniversary, but other than that …

Jill Donovan:
It’s Terry’s birthday.

Kelly Smith:
Is it?

Jill Donovan:
Yeah, yeah.

Kelly Smith:
Nothing, there’s nothing else, no big milestone on that day. There’s no reason why that date would have dropped into my mind.

Jill Donovan:
What did the man look like in your dream that came?

Kelly Smith:
It was just like a …

Jill Donovan:
A figure?

Kelly Smith:
Yeah, like a black figure.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
I couldn’t see anybody’s face, I just felt like this person was telling me to try to have a baby. Isn’t that crazy?

Jill Donovan:
Wow. Yeah, yeah.

Kelly Smith:
I know God speaks in dreams.

Jill Donovan:
Yes.

Kelly Smith:
So, I’m like, you know what? If you’re not sure, err on the side of give it a try.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah. What is it that you always say about things like that? That it shouldn’t make you-

Kelly Smith:
No, no. I say, when God speaks, or when someone else is talking to you, it should be something confirming what God’s already said to you, not informational bracelets, like not the first time you’ve ever heard that information.

Jill Donovan:
Right.

Kelly Smith:
Of course, I wanted another baby.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
But it wasn’t on my radar screen, yet.

Jill Donovan:
Right.

Kelly Smith:
That whole dream was just a gift, honestly.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
I thought the whole thing was a gift.

Jill Donovan:
Well, that’s amazing that when you look at Annie, you can remember that.

Kelly Smith:
Oh, yeah.

Jill Donovan:
Before she was even conceived, that it was given to you. Do you mind if I change your name to Mary or Elizabeth?

Kelly Smith:
That’s okay.

Jill Donovan:
Okay.

Kelly Smith:
I have to say one other thing about that, too.

Jill Donovan:
Please.

Kelly Smith:
Which is a little serious, too. But then, she had a serious sickness, when she was three years old. It was a really serious staph infection in her lungs. The funny … or the extended gift on that was I knew, through that whole, really serious illness, too, that I was like, “Look, God brought this kid here to me, this is His thing, and I’m going to just trust that He’s going to take care of her all the way through.”

Jill Donovan:
You relaxed.

Kelly Smith:
Her whole life … Oh because, I mean, we’re mothers. Stressing is just part of the game, I’m sorry. For her, it’s just been so easy, it’s just really been wonderful.

Jill Donovan:
How can you transfer the way that you felt about Annie, and the peace, and the relaxing and trusting God, through the pregnancy and even her life? How could you have transferred that to Charlie, your next child that you had?

Kelly Smith:
How could I transfer?

Jill Donovan:
How could you have transferred that same … You were so relaxed, because you just felt that God told you, you went to conceive her, you had her. How could you have … you didn’t feel the same way, when you were pregnant with him, you were so fearful then.

Kelly Smith:
With Sam, I was.

Jill Donovan:
Oh, your first one?

Kelly Smith:
It was Sam I was fearful with, and Charlie was …

Jill Donovan:
Charlie, you were smoking cigarettes, you’re just like, “I don’t care.”

Kelly Smith:
I’m done.

Jill Donovan:
God’s got me, I don’t care.

Kelly Smith:
He’s either got me, or He doesn’t at this point.

Jill Donovan:
That is not an encouragement to everybody to smoke cigarettes or bracelets.

Kelly Smith:
No!

Jill Donovan:
… while you’re pregnant.

Kelly Smith:
Don’t smoke while you’re pregnant.

Jill Donovan:
No, don’t smoke while you’re pregnant.

Kelly Smith:
With Sam, how could I have? You know, I honestly I needed to live life a little bit, and know God’s goodness, and that he’s got me.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
It really was a one day at a time choice.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
But I wasn’t mature enough to get there yet.

Jill Donovan:
You had to go through it.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah.

Jill Donovan:
Before you started realizing it.

Jill Donovan:
Before Ireland was born, Ireland is my first born, when I was in law school, I had a dream of, maybe,a one-and-a-half year old baby, 18 months old. I remember, even to this day, exactly what that child looked like, toddler, it was 18 months. I remember curly hair, bracelets, I remember the cheeks, just everything about this baby.

Jill Donovan:
Then, shortly after that, I got pregnant. I remember going through law school, I had not a fear at all, because I had never been pregnant. So, miscarriage to me was not something I should fear, because I had never experienced it, so I didn’t know. Then, right in … I knew I had this dream, and therefore this must mean, because God speaks to me in my dreams, this must be confirming that this is what’s going to happen to me, this is the way my baby is going to look.

Jill Donovan:
Then, in the middle of my final exams for my second … I believe it was my second year of law school. Sorry, no, it was my third year of law school. Right in the middle of exam, I started to feel something was not right.

Kelly Smith:
At the school, why’ll you’re … literally?

Jill Donovan:
At the school.

Kelly Smith:
Wow.

Jill Donovan:
While I was taking the exam, I started to feel like something was not right. I went to the bathroom, and I realized that I needed to go home, because it did not feel normal.

Jill Donovan:
That afternoon, I miscarried at home. I couldn’t understand why in the world would I have this dream?

Kelly Smith:
Right.

Jill Donovan:
It was so specific. Then, have the excitement of being pregnant.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah.

Jill Donovan:
And the high of it all, only to, while I’m in the middle of a law school exam, to miscarry. It taught me so much, because I had no idea. I didn’t empathize with people, because I didn’t know. I don’t know what the percentage is, but it’s a high percentage of people. When it happens to you, you realize how many people.

Kelly Smith:
Oh my gosh. I don’t know why people don’t talk about it.

Jill Donovan:
They don’t, until you then start talking about it, and people say, “Oh, I had two.”

Kelly Smith:
It’s like the grief of … Even though you didn’t hold the baby in your arms, you make so many decisions in your mind. The second you see that you’re pregnant, you’re like, oh my gosh, it’ll be August when the baby comes.

Jill Donovan:
Oh, yeah.

Kelly Smith:
Boy or girl? It’s just a lot of things.

Jill Donovan:
The hope of what the next 70 years are going to look like.

Kelly Smith:
The grief of all that is a lot for people.

Jill Donovan:
Even if you found out the day before that you were pregnant, even if it’s within 24 hours, you’ve already gone to a completely different place.

Kelly Smith:
I know it.

Jill Donovan:
So, then it was maybe a year later, when I got pregnant again. The baby that I had was Ireland, and that baby looked just like the baby that was in my dream.

Kelly Smith:
Oh, that’s awesome.

Jill Donovan:
Now, I have a picture of her when she was that age, 18 months, and it looked just like the baby that I had in my dream.

Jill Donovan:
The thing is, the second time around … I had three miscarriages altogether. But, the second time around, you would think I would fear terribly.

Kelly Smith:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jill Donovan:
I did, but what you have to remember is that God knows exactly what … He already has it all planned out. So, the dream that he gave me, I took it as, that’s just my hope that I was holding onto.

Kelly Smith:
That was coming.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah. It’s a constant battle, every day that you’re pregnant, to not fear.

Kelly Smith:
I’ve got a baby dream that correlates into all that. I remember being in a relationship that was not my husband. It was a nice guy.

Jill Donovan:
Let’s give him a name.

Kelly Smith:
Let’s call him Ben.

Jill Donovan:
Okay, Ben.

Kelly Smith:
Any who, Ben and I were in a relationship. I had a dream, there was a baby in the dream, and it was in a little bassinet. I walked up to the baby, the baby was asleep in the bassinet. I walked up, and I went like, “Oh, hi baby!”

Jill Donovan:
An experienced …

Kelly Smith:
The baby startled, and started screaming and crying, because I scared the baby.

Jill Donovan:
Is this is a dream?

Kelly Smith:
This is a dream.

Jill Donovan:
Oh, I thought it was real life.

Kelly Smith:
This is a dream.

Jill Donovan:
Okay.

Kelly Smith:
Basically, I scared the baby, and it startled, and was crying and all that stuff. So, I really feel like … I prayed about it, after I woke up from that dream, because it was so vivid. I feel like God was telling me, the dream was for me to be married. I wanted to get married.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
That baby represented that thing that I was dreaming and hoping for bracelets, but I was with the wrong guy, and I was forcing it. Forcing this relationship, or this thing, and I was ruining it. I know it, of course, takes two.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
My point is, it wasn’t the right time for that dream to come around. So, that baby dream, I think, signifies a … A baby signifies a dream you have, in your heart.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah. Oh, right.

Kelly Smith:
You know what I mean?

Jill Donovan:
Yes, I do. Something that you want to give birth to.

Kelly Smith:
Yes. That’s exactly right, that’s a way better way to say it. Something you’re birthing, in the spirit, is that baby.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
Anyway, that’s what I think the baby also signifies, is just the dream.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah. Do you remember my biggest baby dream that I ever had? It was this year.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah, I do.

Jill Donovan:
Okay.

Kelly Smith:
That was a several day ordeal of a dream, I think?

Jill Donovan:
I had a dream … I don’t even know if I should say it. I won’t say it.

Kelly Smith:
This is a lot.

Jill Donovan:
All right, it’s a lot.

Kelly Smith:
Maybe just give the Reader’s Digest version of this dream?

Jill Donovan:
Okay. I had a dream … I was going to say who I had a dream that I was pregnant with.

Kelly Smith:
Okay.

Jill Donovan:
I don’t think I should even say that. Okay.

Jill Donovan:
I dreamt I was pregnant with you, the listener. Here we are, here we are.

Kelly Smith:
Here we are, the dream has been birthed.

Jill Donovan:
The dream has been birthed. There is a lot that we could talk about dreams. There are some people who say they never dream.

Jill Donovan:
I have two people in my family.

Kelly Smith:
Really?

Jill Donovan:
Terry and Ireland say they never dream, and they don’t ever … if they dream, they don’t remember their dreams. I cannot tell you the last time Terry has ever told me that he had a dream.

Jill Donovan:
What I would say to those of you who don’t dream, but would like to dream, maybe ask God to help you.

Kelly Smith:
Absolutely.

Jill Donovan:
To remember your dreams, because I do believe that somewhere inside of us, all of us have a dream. I think that God can speak to us through our dreams, as we sleep.

Kelly Smith:
Yeah. If you’re a dreamer, as God what He’s trying to tell you, through that dream, because I think it’s something.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah, I like this.

Kelly Smith:
This is great.

Jill Donovan:
Yeah.

Kelly Smith:
This was so serious, we’re usually so funny.

Jill Donovan:
Listen, you should preach at your church. Kelly’s the Pastor’s wife.

Kelly Smith:
I’ll pray about it.

Jill Donovan:
She doesn’t ever preach up there, but I think she should.

Jill Donovan:
Thank you for watching and listening today. Just remember that you cannot find your own voice by following someone else’s bracelets formula. You may not know as you begin, but you will come to know as you do.

Jill Donovan:
Thanks for watching, thanks for listening. We’ll see you tomorrow.